Monday, April 21, 2014

Dear Rachel Held Evans, *update*


           A couple months ago, I wrote a blog in response to the whirlwind of media attention Miley Cyrus had been receiving. At the time, all kinds of groups were coming out to condemn or condone her sexually explicit behavior both on and off the stage. For me, it was simple: Miley Cyrus, like much of our Western culture, has bought in to a secular humanistic worldview that reduces her worth to that of an animal and so it should not be surprising that she often acts as such.

     You see, Cyrus “suppresses the truth” (Rom 1:18) that she is created in God’s image, and as a created being she has a Creator whose rules she must live by. Because she has been created in God’s image, this truth is written on her heart and thus she must live every day in denial of her rebellion to God’s law (Rom 1: 21-22). It is not difficult to see the great lengths she (and everyone else who represses God’s law) goes to in order to distract herself from her guilt.

     I do not fear Miley Cyrus. When I pray to God for my daughter’s future salvation, the influence of Miley Cyrus is rarely (albeit not never) what I pray for God to protect her from. I plan on doing my job as a parent and, by God’s grace, instructing my daughter in the way she should go. What this means is that by the time she is twelve years old and wants to buy her first music album, regardless of the eternal state of her soul, she will be able to see the cover artwork on Miley Cyrus’s albums and know that this young woman belongs to, and approves of, the world.

     Who I fear, Rachel, is you.

     You see, you look like a Christian. You talk about Jesus and love and God’s word. You claim faith in Christ. You dress appropriately, you are an engaging speaker, a compelling author, and you seem unashamed to share your faith. On a surface level—the only level that perhaps my young daughter or the thousands of readers who visit your blog every day can discern—you seem legit. In a nutshell, you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

     As you have said in your blog,

“For many years, I felt that part of my call as a writer and blogger of faith was to be a different sort of evangelical, to advocate for things like gender equality, respect for LGBT people, and acceptance of science and biblical scholarship within my community.”

     Rachel, if you feel that this is your calling, then your calling is from the world and not God. It is not Jesus’s example you are following, but that of the culture you live in. I can hear all about gender equality and the issues facing the LGBT community by turning on CNN or reading Rolling Stone or various sundry other godless news outlets and blogs. What the world needs, both the believer and unbeliever, is to hear the call of Christ and His truth. This is not what you deliver when you concern yourself with sounding like the world.

     It makes me sad that you are a leading voice in the evangelical movement because I see no evidence in any of your writing that you honor God above men. Your worldview aligns with our culture, which is in complete opposition to Jesus’s teachings. Your worldview over-values feeling and emotion and has sacrificed truth on the altar of “being nice.”

     Most disconcerting (although your view on womanhood is extremely troublesome as well) is your hearty approval of homosexuality. If you truly respected, loved, and cared for those in the homosexual community, you would follow Jesus’s example of pointing them to their need for a savior. Instead, you follow the example of those described in Romans 1, who approve of the sin of others. Your message is that you can be both gay and Christian, and seek to eisegete your way out of the clear message of the New Testament, which is that to engage in homosexuality is to sin.

     You have also bought into the culture’s ideology that to disagree with those who practice homosexuality is to disrespect them. I disagree with those who steal, and would urge them not to steal, but this does not mean that I hate them. Rachel, it is society that urges you to approve of sin and all else will be considered hate; God’s word has a different message. Truly, to love someone is to correct them. 2 Timothy 3 tells us that God’s word is sufficient for reproof and correction. If “reproof” is the same as “hate” in your worldview, where does that leave the Bible? The world would say that the Bible’s view on sin is harsh. The world would say that a God who would condemn people to eternal punishment for their sin is hateful. Where does that leave you?

     God is an exclusivist. He is not a “however you want it” God. He calls himself THE way and THE truth. To love this God is to love His truth. Truth, by definition, necessitates a singularity. If something is true, all others that diverge from that truth are untrue. God is not half-true. He’s not sometimes right. He is always right, always just, and always Holy. What you claim is a worldview that diverges from the one clearly laid out in God’s Word. This means that your worldview is not only un- Christian, it is false.

     You are not loving your homosexual friends by applauding their life lived in sin. The message of the world—which you have bought in to—is that you must approve of their sin to love and respect them. The message of the Bible is that those who live in sin have nothing to look forward to but an eternity in hell; but a holy, just God poured out his wrath on Jesus Christ in our place and those who repent of their sin and believe in Him will have all of their guilt washed away. That is the most loving message you can give to the homosexual community. That is the message that Jesus brought to the homosexual, the thief, and the liar. If you love Christ, then you must follow Christ’s example instead of the world’s.

     Maybe I have sounded harsh. Maybe you’re thinking, “Seriously, I’m more offensive than Miley Cyrus?” No, thankfully I will never have to screen you for sexually explicit content. Thankfully I’ll probably never have to worry about visiting your blog and being bombarded with inappropriate material that I would not want my child or husband to see, and I thank you for that. So maybe it’s not “nice” to call you a wolf in sheep’s clothing. But Rachel, I do not take the Word of God lightly. It is sufficient, and it is good. In Matthew 7, Jesus speaks of those who outwardly appear to love Him and inwardly do not know him. It is Jesus who speaks clearly and stringently against false prophets, those that would lead the sheep astray, and He calls them wolves. By aligning your values with the values of the world and calling them good, you are leading your followers astray. You look like a Christian, you speak like a Christian, you even sometimes sound like a Christian, but your love for the approval of the world speaks of your inward state more loudly than your widely-read blog ever could.

     If you are my sister in Christ, then I urge you to repent of your disregard for the authority and sufficiency of Scripture to teach us what is right and what is wrong. If you are not my sister in Christ, then my prayer is that you will shed the sheep’s clothing, be granted repentance and receive such a sweet, beautiful faith in Christ that will eventually lead to no confusion about what truth and love are. Until then, you will remain on my list of women’s influence to steer my daughter away from, right next to Miley Cyrus.





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Summer






137 comments:

Dale Stenberg said...

Amen sister. Amen!

phil said...

Cyrus is a creature of her handlers, like any of these hollywood human disasters. The idea that she has any moral volition of her own is risible.

Dale Wilson said...

It is wonderful to hear a woman's voice speak out against these types of false teachings. You are absolutely spot on with your critique of Evans. It is women's voices like yours that are more likely to reach other women who are influenced by Evans and the others like her. Thank you for taking the time to write about this dangerous wolf.

guybri said...

Jesus said this to those who were claiming to believe and follow Him. Nothings changed.

"I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word." John 8:37

Andrew said...

I am quite thrilled to see, Mrs. Pinch, that the apple has not fallen far from the tree at all. This was a terrific article!

Summer Pinch said...

Phil,

Are you suggesting that Miley is a robot who has circumvented her status as created in God's image and therefore has no conscience? That's interesting.

Dale,

Thank you! I hope that that is the case, that God's people may be pointed to the sufficiency of His word!
I see you're an Idaho Wilson....like the Wilson's? of the Doug Wilson clan?

Andrew,

Hilarious, my dad will laugh. :)

Raising Godly Children said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been longing to hear a blogger finally call out her as a wolf that she clearly is. She's extremely dangerous, thank you so much!!!

Paula Bolyard said...

Very well said. Half-truths are not truths at all.

Garry Bull said...

I am not sure if my original post went so I will say this again. For too long RHE has influenced well educated women and enlisted them in her cause. I have no problem with her love of the sinner but her advocacy for the sin is abhorrent. Huge amen for setting RHE strait.

Garry Bull said...

I am not sure if my original post went so I will say this again. For too long RHE has influenced well educated women and enlisted them in her cause. I have no problem with her love of the sinner but her advocacy for the sin is abhorrent. Huge amen for setting RHE strait.

phil said...

"Phil,

Are you suggesting that Miley is a robot who has circumvented her status as created in God's image and therefore has no conscience? That's interesting."

I think she has been very very very heavily influenced to the point of coercion by the monstrous people that have had control of her life since childhood. She (and all the other Hollywood horrors we like to point and sputter at) is, after some consideration, more morally culpable than the children forced into prostitution by their parents in a country like Thailand but I think the difference is one of degrees. These types are more akin to the underaged catamites used by Hollywood hotshots. We need to keep our eyes on the puppeteer behind the show rather than the mess being served to us on stage.

As a caveat I'm not coming at this from a Christian perspective, just my observations.

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Jessica Wilkins said...

Thank you so much for writing this! I have been trying to formulate my thoughts on Evans and her recent blogs and this is such a perfect response. Your approach is so entirely biblical and simple and beautiful.

Ben said...

You are wrong. Rachel Held Evans is a much stronger believer in Jesus than you think. If you actually read most of her writings instead of cherry-picking, you would know that.

TBush said...

EXCELLENT post, Summer. Clarity, sister--clarity!

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Kathryn Boehne said...

Really well written. I have wondered too why they think they are being loving when in reality they are pushing these people off a cliff into the pit of hell.

An37 said...

Summer, while I wouldn't go so far as phil in absolving Miley of personal moral responsibility for her actions, I would agree that, insofar as I understand the industry, the far greater guilt lies with those who are using her for their own ends.

I think our primary feeling for people like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, etc. should be pity.

Summer Pinch said...

Ben,

I have read a great deal of her writing. My post was in response to a sort of "mission statement" of hers if you will. There are several themes within her body of work, most of which can be categorized by the quote I offered of hers. She seeks to satisfy the culture and she diminishes the authority of Scripture while doing so.

In light of this, can you demonstrate how I have "cherry-picked"?

Summer Pinch said...

An37,

This post was not about "who is more to blame" regarding Hollywood industry and I have not suggested that those in charge of her career are guiltless.

However, in light of Scripture, Miley Cyrus will stand before God and have to give an answer for her actions, and she will not be able to count herself faultless by pointing the finger. She, along with every other person who has ever been born, has been born a sinner who cannot stand before a righteous God. I pity all who cannot stand before God and claim Christ's righteousness as their own!

Summer Pinch said...

Also, I'm confused as to why my "feelings" towards Cyrus are an issue. I did not write about my feelings towards her, except that she is "of the world" and I do not wish my daughter to be influenced by her. Is that so strange?

Jules LaPierre said...

Long overdue, Mrs. Pinch and very well written. I join you in prayer for Mrs. Evans repentance.

An37 said...

I don't disagree with your points.

But I think it's also Biblical that when people stand before Christ for what they have done, some will bear greater responsibility for specific activity than others.

I was simply emphasizing that it's important for us to not be superficial in our engagement with culture and to understand that the culpability with regard to the depraved cultural products of our society goes beyond the products themselves. That is there really is a sense in which we can legitimately feel sorry for them.

Summer Pinch said...

Sure, An37! I wouldn't disagree with you there. It is a heavy and sad thing to contemplate, and all the more reason to attempt to speak out against those in RHE's camp who seek to aid the lost in staying lost! :)

Heidi said...

Well said!

TMAC said...

Refreshing to hear from a woman. Men who point out these things are often labeled as misogynistic, woman-haters. Your words are an encouragement to men and women as they point to Christ and His Kingdom.

TMAC said...

Refreshing to hear from a woman. Men who point out these things are often labeled as misogynistic, woman-haters. Your words are an encouragement to men and women as they point to Christ and His Kingdom.

Leon Bloder said...

I grew up as a fundamentalist baptist. The most vocal critics of women who wore "pants" or used makeup were other women. I am fairly certain your worldview influences how you interpret Scripture and not the other way around, but that's your prerogative. There are far more dangerous influences for your daughter I would think than a progressive Christian who has a bigger view of God's grace than your own. Bigotry masked as righteousness comes to mind...

Summer Pinch said...

Thank you, Leon! Very insightful.

May I note that you did not deal with RHE's disregard for Scripture (I suppose this is what makes her "progressive" or full of 'grace'?). I, personally, enjoy both pants AND makeup! Also, I like to let Scripture interpret Scripture, which is the antithesis of the gem, A Year of Biblical Womanhood.

Further note for any and all that wish to post here,

you are more than welcome to disagree with me! You are more than welcome to discuss Scriptural issues or issues raised in this specific blog post.

However, if you would like to raise topics not related to this blog, conjecture on the state of my wardrobe, or insult me, I would highly recommend that you sign up for your own Blogger account as Google has done a really great job in creating an easy platform for you to do this in!

I will be leaving Leon's comment up as a warning and as an example of the kind of rhetoric that is not welcome here. :)

Jules LaPierre said...

"Full of grace, gracious and grace, grace, all is grace" are progressive code words for disregard of the authority and proper interpretation of Scripture.

Would love to see your next letter addressed to Ann Voskamp.

Sean Cornell said...

I thank God that we have women like you with the wisdom, courage, and scriptural foundation to say the things that need to be said to people like RHE.

God Bless you, Summer.

Comfort said...

Dearest Summer, Sister in Christ,

What a joy you are.

You are also a brave soul because in this day and age, to speak the truth in love usually brings out the 'Jack-Booted-Fascists' waiting to relieve you of your job, and your civil rights on the altar of what they find a 'choice' and political correctness".

God does not excuse stealing, lying, coveting, gossiping, so why anyone would think engaging in homosexual behavior is an exception to the standard of Christian behavior?

Romans 1 warns us. 1 Corinthians 6 gives hope to the homosexual..."and such WERE some of you". What a Savior and what a plan of redemption! This truth makes Rachel Held's nonsense even more egregious. Those who do not repent, cannot be a recipient of Paul's proclamation: "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God."

Keep proclaiming God's truth, we are in real need of it.

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Adam S said...

Great article! One thing I would change. The word you were looking for is "suppress" instead of repress. Repression is where your mind blocks out a memory without your consent. Suppression is your willful choice to disregard the truth in favor of your own flawed reasoning.

Rhology said...

Great stuff.

RHE deletes dissenting comments on her blog, so I'm glad to see this article.

Peyton said...

There is little to no actual reference to what you disagree with that RHE has said. The passage you quoted seems quite desirable. To respect LGBT is bad? To strive for BOTH Biblical and scientific scholarship is bad? That women and men are equal is not a settled issue even for fundamentalist. Please elaborate with more actual references rather than accusations

Dale Wilson said...

Summer,

I am in Idaho yes, but no relation to Doug Wilson.

Regards,

Dale

Nicholas Myra said...

@Peyton

RHE has made it quite clear that she does not believe that homosexuality is sinful in any way.

And by "Biblical scholarship," she means the higher/historical criticism of the Bible, as well as the homosexual revisionism of writers like John Boswell.

Liz said...

If you are my sister in Christ, then I urge you to repent of your tendency to make scripture say something it doesn't say and to ignore the spirit that is revealing the truth about sexual orientation and same sex relationships. If you are not my sister in Christ, then my prayer is that you will shed the sheep’s clothing, be granted repentance and receive such a sweet, beautiful faith in Christ that will eventually lead to no confusion about what truth and love are. Until then, you will remain on my list of people to steer others away from as they pursue to live into the way of Jesus Christ.

Nicholas Myra said...

@Liz

Mrs. Pinch is certainly a sister in Christ. You, however, are not.

Yes, the Scriptures condemn homosexuality as sinful, and no amount of Boswell or Matthew Vines will change that. And the Holy Spirit is not revealing anything contrary to what He inspired the Prophets and Apostles to write thousands of years ago.

Jules LaPierre said...

@Liz

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." - John 16:13

In spite of any personal experiences one may have had, the Holy Spirit will not speak on His own initiative. This means that anyone claiming to hear Him say anything that is contrary to Scripture is proclaiming falsehoods.

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Summer Pinch said...

Peyton,

Can you point to where I said that respecting the LBGT community is bad? Pretty sure my thesis is that we must love the LBGT community by pointing them to the Cross and not comforting them in their sin. "Respect" does not mean ignoring what the Scripture clearly teaches about their sin. Leaving them in their sin is not love.

If you would like to read specifically how RHE condones the sin of homosexuality and twists Scripture to do so, you can hop on over to her page and read any of her posts regarding homosexuality.


Liz,

I literally have no idea what you just said. "The Spirit that is revealing the truth about homosexuality"? The Spirit has revealed the Truth about homosexuality and it can be found in several places in the Scriptures, including Romans 1 and 1 Cor 6. I do not need to add to the revelation that God has already given us. :)

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melissa said...

Is RHE really so disguised as a sheep? Her wolfness seems pretty visible to me. Honestly, as easy as it is to teach our daughters to avoid the likes of Miley Cyrus, I don't believe it takes much more discernment to spot the wolf who is RHE. She talks a lot of Christianese, but anyone with a mild amount of Biblical literacy and thoughtful discernment will not be fooled. Sadly, watered-down, feel-good churches and public school indoctrination have about killed anything resembling discernment & Biblical literacy in our & our childrens' generations. I think the popularity of RHE should be further catalyst for us as parents to be diligently teaching our children WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. So if they come across a nice, funny, charming person who talks a lot about loving Jesus but has views that directly contradict the Word of God, they will not be fooled!

melissa said...

Total side note: we have a darling Clementine too. ;)

Nicholas Myra said...

@Liz

You haven't said anything meaningful. You have only offered vagueness and now insult.

Summer Pinch said...

I have removed Liz's comment. Please see my above response to Leon to reference what will and will not be tolerated in this thread. Thanks!

Melissa, preach it, sister!

Comfort, Nicholas, and Jules,

Thank you! Your comments have made my day!

Crimson Flo said...

I was just saying to someone the other day, that I feel more angst and sorrow reading RHE then any hateful thing an atheist or non-Christian says or writes. She is in my opinion a very dangerous person because she has inserted herself in the flock.

Jeremy said...

Very refreshing Summer, thank you.

Dan Jensen said...

Thanks so much for this article. I spent months on Evans' blog trying to reason with her and others and I was repeatedly excoriated for doing so. Never, and I really do mean this, was I rude or disrespectful, but in the end I was booted of her site. The entire thing was very frustrating, but also frighteningly enlightening.

The "progressives" will go on and on about how open minded they are, but I found them again and again to be some of the most absolutist and dogmatic people out there.

Thanks again, I really enjoyed it.

Sarah Holbrook said...

Summer, what if one of your own children was gay? Jesus taught us to love our neighbors. I urge you to read this blog post...http://justbecausehebreathes.com

Would be interested to know how you feel about this. Thanks.

Liz said...

I did get a little snarky in my response and I apologize for that. I was reacting poorly to an attitude of arrogance from you Summer and so many here that are singing your praises. However, I know RHE personally and although you may disagree with her about some things I assure you that she is a serious and faithful follower of Jesus and his love and grace are apparent in her life.

Jules LaPierre said...

I assure you Liz, the attitude is one of fear and reverence for God and His Word, not arrogance.

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Summer Pinch said...

Liz,

I understand that it is difficult to hear someone disagree with someone that you know personally and care about. I go through that on a regular basis. It is not very enjoyable.

However, being a nice person and being a follower of Jesus Christ are two different things. One requires a good attitude and one requires a love for truth. I would grant you that Rachel may have the former but her writing demonstrates that she does not have the latter.

Comfort said...

Liz,

Arrogance knows no truth and what Summer has presented here is what scripture says. Ergo, there is no arrogance on her part. Not only does scripture say it, it says it with crystal clarity. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 proclaim the sinfulness of homosexuality.

By telling homosexuals what they are doing is not sin, you are violating the teaching of scripture and contributing to causing another to stumble.

Would you say lying is not sin? How about stealing?

Summer has boldly proclaimed what scripture teaches and she has done so because she loves people who are in sin, and wants them to find the love of the Savior.

You should consider her example.

Summer Pinch said...

In writing a post you claim, "You see, you look like a Christian. You talk about Jesus and love and God’s word. You claim faith in Christ. You dress appropriately, you are an engaging speaker, a compelling author, and you seem unashamed to share your faith. On a surface level—the only level that perhaps my young daughter or the thousands of readers who visit your blog every day can discern—you seem legit. In a nutshell, you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing." and then back it up with a quotation that's anything but that. Is acceptance of scientific scholarship bad? Is biblical scholarship bad?

-----You often have to have the patience to read more than a few lines to get understand the context and point of an article. If you cannot read my post and understand why I have called RHE a wolf in sheep's clothing then I am afraid I can't help you.

I'm certain you thing egalitarianism is objectionable, but that doesn't seem to be the crux of your issue with RHE.

----Correct. Her low view of Scripture is.

You've just stated in your previous comment that respecting LGBT persons is desirable. So I'm confused as to why you'd quote the passage you did of RHE for your allusion to her "wolf in sheep's clothing" nature.

----Again, you often have to read more than one line to make a point.

I'm afraid you either took for granted that your audience all agreed and had a similar familiarity/prejudice towards RHE that you do or you simply didn't feel it necessary to back up claims that someone is an extreme danger to your loved ones' salvation.

-----Maybe read the whole article? I think I explain why she's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Bueller? Bueller?


It's further confused since you followed up your RHE quote by stating, "Rachel, if you feel that this is your calling, then your calling is from the world and not God. It is not Jesus’s example you are following, but that of the culture you live in." Based on the quote I'd say that you just disagreed that biblical scholarship, scientific scholarship, egalitarianism, and respect for LGBTs are all 'of the world'. Certainly you feel this way towards egalitarianism, however I'm confused as to how this is your opinion towards the other items. I'm afraid you improperly supported your thesis with the quote you used.

-----Peyton, can you point me to where in the Scriptures Jesus prioritizes these things above issues like his Sonship, God's holiness, man's need for a savior, His sovereignty, His kingship, etc.?

If this isn't the case then perhaps you are not putting the above quote in proper context. As someone unfamiliar with RHE, this basically all seems like pretty great stuff to strive for, so perhaps cut this quote or properly contextualize it?

----No thanks.

Summer Pinch said...

Peyton said: Next you state, "Most disconcerting (although your view on womanhood is extremely troublesome as well) is your hearty approval of homosexuality" I'd love to see where she heartily approves of homosexuality. Like I said I'm unfamiliar with it so this whole post at this point sounds like a load of gossip and slander, which I'm certain you don't meant for it to be (I mean that sincerely not sarcastically).

----Perhaps if you were familiar with RHE this article would make more sense to you.


You further state after using logic to demonstrate how universalism cannot be true along with The Gospel Truth that , "This means that your worldview is not only un- Christian, it is false. " You are of course referring to RHE. But you've still not backed any of this up with evidence. You've continued an unsubstantiated rant against RHE without including ANY real evidence of your charges. At this point I'd appeal to you to please edit or write an addendum to this post with references that demonstrate your claims that RHE preaches un-Christian doctrine. Until that point this entire post is unsubstantiated slander and near gossip that may make you feel better to vent, but does not help to truly shed light on the issue of whether or not RHE spreads dangerous or helpful teachings.

----You continually ask me to "prove" how RHE is wrong but you continually point out that you have not read her writing. Sorry Peyton but I did not sit down to regurgitate her writing, I sat down to respond to her stance, which she makes more than clear in her highly readable blog. I do not wish to do your research for you. If you would like for me to have pulled more quotes, that's great and fine and dandy, and you're free to feel that way. I think her body of work does a great job of speaking for itself. Maybe if I wished to do an in-depth response to her one day on a particular issue, I would do so.

However my main issue with her is her disregard for the clear teaching of the Bible in many areas and how she prioritizes what our culture says is most important and she follows lock-step behind them in prioritizing them. If you don't get that from my article....well...you may be one of the few to have missed that.

Sarah Holbrook said...

Where is the love that God wants us to spread? I feel like there is so much judgement here. I thought God was a loving God.

Summer Pinch said...

Sarah,

if "love" is the only attribute you prescribe to God, I would lovingly encourage you to read the Word. God is first of all a Holy God. God's holiness is discussed more in the bible than any of his other attributes.

God also said he did not come to bring "peace, but a sword." And the truth will divide father, mother, brother, all familial ties.

God loves. God judges. God is truth. To deny all of his other attributes and strip him of his holiness is to worship a different God than the one of the Bible.

Peyton said...
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Summer Pinch said...

Peyton,

I have asked that the comments in this thread

A) Deal with the thread
and
B) Leave insults to your own personal blog if you wish.

Engaging with you has been incredibly difficult because you don't seem to be able to follow a simple line of logic, and you also don't like what I wrote.

It's okay that you don't like what I wrote and you think it could have been better. That's totally fine. But attempting to continue to prove your opinion that it could have been done better although I have answered your question as to why I wrote it the way I wrote it is tedious, and you have been unable to do so without insulting me. This is why your comment has been deleted.

Have a great day!

Sarah Holbrook said...

My comment is BOLD below...

if "love" is the only attribute you prescribe to God, I would lovingly encourage you to read the Word. I READ IT DAILY MY DEAR. God is first of all a Holy God. God's holiness is discussed more in the bible than any of his other attributes. LOVE WAS NOT THE ONLY ATTRIBUTE THAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

God also said he did not come to bring "peace, but a sword." And the truth will divide father, mother, brother, all familial ties.

God loves. God judges. God is truth. To deny all of his other attributes and strip him of his holiness is to worship a different God than the one of the Bible. I NEVER DID DENY THAT. I WAS SIMPLY ASKING WHERE THE LOVE IS IN ALL OF THIS. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, NOT JUDGE THEY NEIGHBOR. JESUS IS THE JUDGE.

Jules LaPierre said...

There is love clearly displayed throughout the entire post, Sarah.

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Summer Pinch said...

Sarah,

In addition to "loving", we are called to be

discerning
wise
holy like Jesus
lovers of Truth.

When Truth is attacked, we are not supposed to stand idly by for the sake of being perceived as loving. As I've stated a million times like a broken record, "loving" someone is not leaving them in their sin.

I'll leave vapid musings like "where is the love?" to Cheech and Chong.

Sarah Holbrook said...

What would you do if your own daughter, Clementine, was gay? Will God's unending grace extend to her?

Sarah Holbrook said...

There is a book I recently read (and reread and taught a class on in my church) called "Seeing Gray, in a World of Black and White." It is written by Rev. Adam Hamilton. It is a very interesting read.

Summer Pinch said...

Sarah,

I think if you read my article above you know what I would do. My follow up article may help answer your question as well.

http://summerspinch.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-hill-i-wish-i-was-dying-on.html

Dan Jensen said...

To all the progressives and defenders of Evans on the blog I have to ask why is it arrogant for us to defend our views, but not arrogant for you to defend yours?

If all you have is that yours is a more inclusive view then I have to ask why we even need Christ at all. The most inclusive view would be to say that all are good, nothing is sinful, we just make mistakes, and that we do not need a savior. I think very few of you would be willing to say that and so at some point your inclusiveness differs from ours only in degree and so we have to ask if you are willing to admit your own arrogance insofar as you are not a fully fledged inclusivist. To whatever extent you deny any arrogance on your part you are not following your own logic to its inevitable conclusion.

I have many gay friends, and I am sure just about everyone on this blog who supports Summer's views could say the same, and so this has nothing to do with arrogance or hate and the fact that this is constantly the only defense that is often offered by progressives demonstrates the weakness of their position.

Jules LaPierre said...

Please, I ask respectfully, do not take your cues from nor read anything by Adam Hamilton.

Summer Pinch said...

Jules, Hamilton teaches that there are parts of Scripture that are not God-breathed or valuable for us today so, no, of course not. :)

Jules LaPierre said...

For those interested, the following link is an article by Hamilton in which he equates antiquated views of homosexuality with slavery.

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2013/02/13/on-homosexuality-many-christians-get-the-bible-wrong/15775

If you prefer not to allow this link, I'll gladly remove it, Summer.

Jules LaPierre said...

Yes, he does Summer. I live in Overland Park and have been to his church.

Lockheed said...

Keep in mind, Ms. Holbrook is posting from the viewpoint of one who supports all sorts of alternative theories regarding the nature of God.

Her most recent post on Google Plus expresses this clearly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n6WsImDl0NM/U1cKlh2s8iI/AAAAAAAAYxI/c63k0xki81s/s1600/gay.jpg

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Loanhead Lass said...

I know you mean well, but my heart breaks for you and all those you influence. If the day ever comes when your child, or a child related to you, one that you have loved since the day he or she was born, "comes out" - no doubt in terror of being condemned and abandoned because of the hatred they have heard preached from the pulpit at your church, you will be calling RHE and apologizing. Being gay is not a sin. It is not a choice. Just as one cannot choose the color of one's eyes. Jesus said to love God first and our neighbor second. Gays are your neighbors.

sandyfe said...

Really, Lockheed? Personal attacks now? I actually do know Sarah. I'm pretty sure you do not.

Hello Mrs. Pinch. Thank you for letting me comment here. I usually don't even read the comment sections of blogs as they are filled with the most unloving, conditional and judgmental people who have way too much time on their keyboards.

My name is Sandra and I have a gay child. Her name is Danielle and we are a saved-by-grace Christian family. My sin is loving her unconditionally and choosing to leave judgment and condemnation to the Almighty. Peace, Love & Grace to you all, especially Sarah Holbrook. <3

Lockheed said...

Really, Lockheed? Personal attacks now? I actually do know Sarah. I'm pretty sure you do not.

How is posting an image to her own Google Plus account "a personal attack"? It's a simple note that the person we're dealing with is already promoting alternative views of God's nature.

That said, she's UMC... 'nuff said.

Lockheed said...

I know you mean well, but my heart breaks for you and all those you influence. If the day ever comes when your child, or a child related to you, one that you have loved since the day he or she was born, "comes out" - no doubt in terror of being condemned and abandoned because of the hatred they have heard preached from the pulpit at your church


Let's look at this from another perspective:

What if your child comes out of the closet as being a kleptomaniac? Imagine the terror they'll feel being condemned by your church and by society that doesn't accept their alternative views on other people's property! What hatred they'll feel as they're arrested and put in jail simply because they love to take things that aren't their own!

My name is Sandra and I have a gay child. Her name is Danielle and we are a saved-by-grace Christian family.

Personal anecdotes and experiences do not dictate God's moral standard.

My sin is loving her unconditionally and choosing to leave judgment and condemnation to the Almighty.

So you're in open rebellion to the Word of God which specifically tells us to judge the actions of those who claim to be believers? (1 Cor 5:12)

Peace, Love & Grace to you all, especially Sarah Holbrook.

Remember, it was Ms. Holbrook who came here and responded to Mrs. Pinch.

sandyfe said...

Well, Lockheed, that's not judgmental at all. Geez.

Lockheed said...

Being gay is not a sin.

God disagrees.

It is not a choice. Just as one cannot choose the color of one's eyes.

No one said it was a choice. We're all born in sin and desire to do sinful things.

That said, recent research has shown that pedophilia is also "not a choice" as is psychopathy. Does that mean that engaging in resultant behaviors are also not sins?

Jesus said to love God first and our neighbor second. Gays are your neighbors

No one said otherwise... perhaps you should actually read Summer's post?

Lockheed said...

Well, Lockheed, that's not judgmental at all. Geez.

1 Cor 5:10-13
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you.”

sandyfe said...

Lockheed, you quote scripture really well! Kudos to you! I'm giving you the last word now. :) Bye!

Drew Pearce said...

Loanhead Lass, I think you may be projecting your own experiences with others who call homosexuality sin onto Summer's writing. I can assure you that in the many years I have attended our church, I have never heard any hate expressed toward gay persons from the pulpit. In fact, it's infrequently a topic of the preaching. Don't assume that you know what our church experience is like simply because we express the truth that homosexuality is sinful. The people and churches that hold this view are many and varied.

It's true that some of them are filled with hate for gay people. Many are not.

As far as whether or not homosexuality is a choice, that topic wasn't even discussed in the post. You felt the need to argue the point, signaling that you might be reading more into the post than was there.

Nicholas Myra said...

@Loanhead Lass

You're accusing Summer's church of "preaching hatred?" Have you ever been to her church? Didn't think so.

Lockheed said...

LOL, I'm abused for looking to God's word rather than accepting my own personal feelings as inspiration. ;)

Soli Deo Gloria!

Nicholas Myra said...

The "progressives" on this thread (and advocates of homosexuality in general) seem to be using the strategy of 1) deliberately confusing the issues of same-sex attraction and homosexual behavior, 2) labeling any opposition to homosexual behavior as "hate", and 3) repeating this over and over again.

Nicholas Myra said...

@Lockhead

The liberals' refusal to address any Biblical text and their mockery of those who do is quite telling. Tony Jones even deletes citations of Scripture from comments left on his blog by Christian critics.

Michael Buratovich said...

Mrs. Pinch,

As a longtime listen/reader of your father's fine work and even occasional supporter of his ministry, I can see the obvious influence he has been on you.

I met Rachel Held Evans at a Biologos meeting. She is an engaging young lady with a very bright personality who speaks and listens well, and takes a personal interest in you when she speaks to you. However, for all that, I must say that I disagree with her embrace of post-modernism and I have tried to dialogue with her, but the generational differences between us have worked against me.

I hope and pray that she reads your letter and begins a conversation. She is a really lovely person on a personal level, and the two of you might truly appreciate the dialogue.

Blessings.

Michael Buratovich said...

Mrs. Pinch,

As a longtime listen/reader of your father's fine work and even occasional supporter of his ministry, I can see the obvious influence he has been on you.

I met Rachel Held Evans at a Biologos meeting. She is an engaging young lady with a very bright personality who speaks and listens well, and takes a personal interest in you when she speaks to you. However, for all that, I must say that I disagree with her embrace of post-modernism and I have tried to dialogue with her, but the generational differences between us have worked against me.

I hope and pray that she reads your letter and begins a conversation. She is a really lovely person on a personal level, and the two of you might truly appreciate the dialogue.

Blessings.

Sarah Holbrook said...

@Lockhead. Here is another post from my blog. http://sarahfholbrook.wordpress.com…I don't support "all sorts of alternative theories of God". My God is loving, graceful, full of mercy. Yes, I know, and love Sandyfe. @Lockhead, you just don't know me and what is the matter with the UMC? Don't we all believe in the same God, Holy Spirit and Jesus?

Summer Pinch said...

Whoa! I take a few hours off and the thread explodes!

My post was about a specific (because there are many) "evangelical" who has taken up with our culture in denying a subjective truth and subjects feelings and popularity and culture on to the Bible, thereby dishonoring God's word as the ultimate truth that exists outside of our feelings. There are many roads I could have taken that conversation but I chose to stick to that point because if RHE (and Sarah, and Lonehead, and sandyfe) actually believed what the Scriptures say about the Scriptures, the conversation wouldn't be "Gays are Christians, too, and you're so hateful!" it would be, "How can we truly love our gay friends/family members/neighbors?"

As I have said throughout my post as well as this thread: the only and best way to love your gay friends/family members/neighbors is to point them to the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is THE power to save them from their sin.

The Bible is clear: homosexuality is an abomination (God's chosen word there). Lonehead, I won't be calling anyone and apologizing for agreeing with the Creator of the universe on this issue.

Nicholas Leone said...

@Sarah Holbrook

No. You are worshiping an idol of your own creation, not the Triune God of the Bible.

Summer Pinch said...

Sarah, in response to your question to Lockhead:

If you choose to ignore what God has revealed in Scripture about himself and his creation (that it is good, that there is order, that a man is to leave his father and mother and cling to his WIFE, and that marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN is a picture of Christ to His church) then no, the God you serve is not the God that has revealed himself in the Bible--it is your feelings that you serve.

William Price said...

Summer, you have written with a sincere heart for the Gospel and the glory of God above all else. Be encouraged that though we are in the world, we are not of the world. Your calling Rachel to repent is biblical, gracious, and very loving. Be encouraged and strengthened in Christ.

Summer Pinch said...

Thank you, William! I am greatly encouraged by your comment. :)

Freed Hearts said...

Darlin Girl, you are precious, and caring for your family in the love of Christ. I know. But sweetie, this is ALL legalism. Pure out legalism. You have been taught that it's about keeping rules, when it's about life in Christ. You've been taught it's about obedience when it's about love. The law is death, my sister. "Go find out what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Bless you, sweet girl, and may God open your heart to the life of Christ.

Jules LaPierre said...

@Freed Hearts

"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?" - Romans 6:1-2

Summer Pinch said...

Freed Hearts,

That's an interesting assertion, except that you have never attended church with me so I find your claim a little....humorous?....outrageous?....completely unfounded?

I have never once spent a day in my life at a church that teaches that I must fulfill the law in order to be saved, because the Bible my church reveres teaches otherwise.

God came to save his people from their sin. The Creator believes sin must be dealt with.....do you?

TJ Turner said...

Summer I appreciate your heart for the Lord and his word. But I want to suggest that you are going too far and not thinking through the consequences of what you are saying in some of your comments and responses. You have said things several times to the effect of, if you don't agree with what the bible says about homosexuality you aren't really a Christian. While I agree that someone who ignores what the bible teaches on any given issue is sinning, you go WAY too far by suggesting they can't be Christians. The standard for salvation is faith in Jesus plus nothing. Expecting complete theological sanctification is the same as expecting complete personal sanctification. Saying someone who supports homosexuality isn't a Christian (or doesn't worship the same God as you) is like saying nobody who tells a lie can be a Christian, even if they CLAIM to have faith in Jesus. That's, frankly, a rash and foolish claim to make about someone on the internet that you do not really know based solely on a comment they make on a blog. We know that every one of us will continue to sin and struggle until Jesus comes back. We also often have thorns in our flesh, issues where we truly struggle with change for a long time. That thorn in the flesh could be pride or lust or bad theology. Those are all sins and they're all sins Jesus can save us from if we have faith in him.

Of course, it's absolutely true that without sanctification faith isn't genuine. But I would be very, very wary to attempt to judge someone's sanctification by a comment on a blog, or maybe even by a series of blog posts. Besides, it's entirely possible to disagree with someone like RHE and to even warn against following her without going so far as to presume to know her heart and judge the genuineness of her faith. Leave it to Jesus to judge her faith and the faith of anyone who claims to love him.

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Summer Pinch said...

TJ, I appreciate your sincerity in your warning.

However, respectfully, I think you may be reading *in* to my posts.

1. If I knew RHE's eternal stance before God, I doubt I would have included the final paragraph of my post.

2. I have not claimed that sinners are sinless. Like, anywhere or ever or in any post. That would be ridiculous.

3. The reality that there are false prophets among us is very real, and something Jesus Himself warned us about and cautioned us to be on guard against.

4. I have never claimed that belief in the authority and sufficiency of Scripture is paramount to one's salvation over faith in Jesus Christ.
However, a love for Jesus cannot be separated for a love for the Truth. He calls himself Truth and he calls himself the Word. So, those who claim to love Christ but do not love Biblical truth should be encouraged to re-evaluate their stance. And those such as RHE who would encourage her readers to disregard the Truth are dangerous.

Ryan said...

I wonder, per Christ's instruction in Matthew 18, if you approached RHE in a private email first? Lest I appear hypocritical, I looked for an email for you, but was unable to find one.

Your grievances with RHE are legit, but I think this should have been done privately before it was done publicly. Perhaps it was, and if so, I apologize.

Summer Pinch said...

Ryan,

Matthew 18 is great but so is 1 tim 5:20. Public sin and private sin are two different things and it is appropriate to address public sins publicly.

Ryan said...

You act as if it is either Matthew 18 OR I Tim. 5. Don't they compliment each other perfectly. I have little doubt that Timothy, or Paul, would have tolerated sin in the church without first addressing is privately. When that didn't work, publicly is the way to go. By your own admission, you disregarded Matthew 18 altogether in favor of I Tim. 5. Which is a bit concerning. But maybe I am wrong.

Summer Pinch said...

Ryan,

Yes. You are. :)

Ryan said...

And it is one thing to apply I Tim 5 in the local church context, but, and again, I could be wrong, I assume that you and RHE don't attend the same local church. However, Matt.18 is far less nuanced. So if the RHE's pastor wants to address this with her in their local church, that is one thing, but for you to justify an open letter on a blog (Using I Tim 5), where you have no idea if she will even read/address it, seems like a stretch. Timothy would have known that the sinners were paying attention and would have to face the congregation. RHE, not so much.

Ryan said...

Ok then, Thank you for your candor.

Aaron P said...

Ryan,

Public statements/sins from public "leaders" in the church don't require private confrontation first. I Timothy 5 is perfectly clear on this. Matthew 18 is so often misused in situations like this. I think the forest is being missed for the trees here.

Phil Pockras said...

@Ryan If you look a little closer, Mt 18:15f refers to private sins. If they are at the level of privacy, then what you're urging is utterly necessary. However, Mrs. Evans publicly teaches these things. She MUST be publicly called to repentance.

Oh, and for those who are urging love, I urge you to look to Leviticus 19:17. To love sinners is to judge that sin is occuring, and then to reprove it. The one who refuses is the real hater. And please don't respond that that's Old!! Testament!! I'll remind you that Paul, writing to Timothy in 2Tim 3:16-17 says that *all* Scripture is God-breathed, and *is* (present tense) profitable for doctrine, *reproof*, *correction*, and instruction in righteousness, so that the man of God may be perfect in every good work. We don't need, and don't have, further truth from modern (or post-modern!) notions or "new breathings of the Spirit". The Spirit has already said in His Word that it's enough.

Summer Pinch said...

What this dude said. ^ Also, maybe you should have emailed me in private before rebuking me in public? Or are your comments appropriate because my post is public?

Ryan said...

What? Really? Talking to them privately first is not necessary because they are public figures? And you got all of that from I Tim.5? Very impressive, if I may say.

Paul even references those that "persist". Doesn't that imply that private conversations have been had?

Dr Whybrew said...

Thank you for standing up for truth Summer. I pray your daughter grows up to know these truths and I am grateful she has a scripturally discerning mother. I pray our son seeks to be a man after God's heart and also that we would stand firm to lead the next generation into account of Biblical holiness. Love you Sister!

Ryan said...

@Summer, I acknowledged in my opening comment that I tried, however, I was unable to find an email for you.

Summer Pinch said...

Ryan,

Matt 18 only applies as long as you're not somehow barred from contacting them privately?

My position on why this is an open letter has been clearly stated by myself and now others. You don't agree with the biblical argument for how or why to address leaders that are in the public arena. Not sure that there is more to be discussed.

Aaron P said...

Ryan,

I Timothy 5:20 "But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."

I don't see any directive for private confrontation of sin from someone in a public position, so yes I did get that from I Timothy 5.

Ryan said...

@Summer, I agree and apologize that my comments steered the conversation this direction. I didn't intend to be a distraction and I want to affirm that I appreciate the spirit of what you are trying to accomplish.

Summer Pinch said...

Thank you, Ryan, for being an example of how to disagree and raise your concerns in an appropriate way.

Brian Hawkins said...

Thanks for writing this. Now I'll do my part by sharing and praying that God may use this article to open the eyes of many blind. God bless.

Comfort said...

Summer,

It's a wonderful experience for me to see such spiritual maturity from a young woman, wife and mother. My prayer is that other young women will learn and grow from your example.

Wendy Willbond said...

"The Creator believes sin must be dealt with"
I believe HE already did... WE should not be so arrogant to think we need to do what He has already done. Everyone is invited to the table. It is up to GOD to convict someone of his sin; not us. RHE is earnestly seeking God's will, as are you. I'm learning I must not assume He has revealed everything to me that He wants to yet. I believe in the perfect, inerrant Word of God. What I now question is my interpretation of it. I used to feel exactly the way you do. Now I'm learning to ask the humble question "What if I'm interpreting this wrong? Am I willing to sacrifice my own child, or someone else's, on the alter of the church's, and my own, interpretation of His word"?
That is arrogance.
Let's do what we've been commanded to do and LOVE people, help those in need and share the message of Christ's salvation. Let's not do what we've been warned not to and leave the judging and convicting to God. HE can handle it.

Summer Pinch said...

Wendy,

There are numerous verses in the bible that talk about confronting sin and how we ARE to judge:

2 tim 2:24-26
Gal 6:1-5
Mat 18:17
1 cor 5:12
John 7:24

Just to name a few. :)

Someone in your position is one of the reasons I wrote this article. It is folks like RHE and Matthew Vines, who are persuasive and for all appearances seem Christianly in ways that are making thoughts like ""What if I'm interpreting this wrong? Am I willing to sacrifice my own child, or someone else's, on the alter of the church's, and my own, interpretation of His word" seem good and right.

Truth is knowable, Wendy. While it is not impossible to misinterpret Scripture, there are sweet, precious truths in it that can be known. When your "feelings" start to guide you, humbly, that is the Spirit of the World and not the Spirit of God that is coming to bear on your interpretation.

God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Jan said...

Amen! Thank you for posting this. So many Christians today are not rightly dividing the Word of truth (2 Tim 2:15). I know several Christians who don't understand why I am wary of RHE and others like her. But to quote C.H. Spurgeon: “If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.”

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Adam Grant said...

If you are going to delete most comments that make an observation about the discussion being held here, what's the point of even having a comment section? My criticism was not of personal origin, but rather an observation of the commentary currently allowed to remain on this post.

Summer Pinch said...

Adam,

I was pretty clear in my warning to two others than insults and comments not dealing with the original post are not welcome. Your blanket statement of immaturity to all was a) an insult and b) you had nothing to add to the discussion regarding the original post.

I do agree with you on one point however: what is the point of having a comment section? I wonder if Blogger gives me the option to turn it off....

Peyton said...

It most certainly does

Jules LaPierre said...

If you'll send me an email, I'll send some tips on how to disable further comments :)

Samaria Jarvis said...

Wonderful post!

Here is a link to a review that Kathy Keller wrote in response to RHE's book "A year of biblical womanhood"

http://thegospelcoalition.org/book-reviews/review/a_year_of_biblical_womanhood

Abigail Prentiss said...

I found this post to be basically the mirror image of RHE's stuff, just from a different perspective. Of course RHE has her share of self-righteous pandering but i guess I'm left with asking "who is more likely to be attractive to the unchurched and de-churched?" and it aint this post. For all of her faults RHE has mined a seam that the disaffected use to hold onto Jesus and I'd much rather people cling to him with questionable orthodoxy than leave because they perceived their questions/doubts have disqualified them. It seems this Summer person wants to camp out on the disqualifications rather than the core similarities. She wants to prioritize guarding the boundaries over the possible inclusion of homosexual believers and frankly, even with all its deficiencies, I'd rather hang out in RHE's neighborhood.

Jules LaPierre said...

Abigail...the proposition of your comment demonstrates that you have no understanding of the doctrine of salvation.

Summer Pinch said...

This Abigail Person,

"I'd much rather people cling to him with questionable orthodoxy than leave"

Yea, nevermind that "truth" and "way" stuff that was so important to Jesus....or all the warnings of the NT to love sound doctrine...

" It seems this Summer person wants to camp out on the disqualifications rather than the core similarities. She wants to prioritize guarding the boundaries over the possible inclusion of homosexual believers and frankly, even with all its deficiencies, I'd rather hang out in RHE's neighborhood."

If there was anything in the Scripture that would lead me to believe that the "possible inclusion of homosexual believers" was an actual thing, I'd gladly do it. Because you're right, I am hopelessly STUCK in taking God at His word, whether or not you or your feelings feel good about it. There is no such thing as the "homosexual church" just as there is no such thing as the "kleptomaniacs church" or the "murderers church" (both sins there are described, alongside homosexuality, as "such WERE some of you--not such ARE some of you, but again, I'm just being all stuck in my Scriptures here).

I am not one ounce concerned with this idea of being "socially affable" as Jesus wasn't either. When he hung out with sinners, he upset the Jews. When he hung out with the Jews, he upset the Romans. When he did anything at all, there was someone who was seeking to silence or kill him. Doesn't look like Jesus was too concerned with "attracting" people by playing to their emotions. Jesus spoke the truth (Jesus IS truth in bodily form!) and those who had ears to hear, heard.

RHE's neighborhood is a dangerous one to be in but I suppose as long as you continue to value social relevance and feelings over truth, you will be very much at home there.



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Summer Pinch said...

SurvivorGirl,

I deleted your comment not because you were rude or insulting. And the link you posted was not entirely off topic, so thank you for that.

I would just rather not have a link to something so offensive to the Gospel on my page. One day, that pastor with "serious[ly poor] theological chops" will have to answer for his twisting of Scripture and that is something I do not envy.

Regards.